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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-03-2008, 03:25 PM

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So the hook failed with some of us. I wonder if they'll have more success with hook-ups.
Well, he did manage to get 449 views and 29 replies in a little over 30 hours on this board.

No such thing as bad publicity?


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Thumbs up Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-03-2008, 10:53 PM

Here's why I like Rick...

WednesdayMinute.com

I mean, come on, he definitely gets a few "get out
of jail" free-cards for that one!

Also,

Every time I've hung out with the guy he seemed
very respectable, nice, and a genuinely decent guy.

And it didn't feel like he was just in "networking mode".

He always came across and as a pretty legit dude that
wouldn't want to peeve anyone.

But his pitch is a bit skewed because I bet Deb's hot!
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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-05-2008, 11:58 AM

but why get so bent outta shape over something like this?

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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-05-2008, 12:23 PM

I never said I was "bent out of shape." I said he didn't get it. Neither do you.

The Employers Forum on Age

Note which two age groups face the most discrimination. Forty-year-old women and fifty-year-old men.
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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-05-2008, 01:26 PM

Deb

Have you heard back from him?
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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-06-2008, 11:22 AM

get over it....


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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-07-2008, 11:18 AM

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This issue seems to make you uncomfortable. Why is that?
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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-08-2008, 02:09 PM

haha... Where on earth did you come up with such nonsense?

thats a rather poor assumption.


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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-08-2008, 07:20 PM

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Deb

Have you heard back from him?
No, but I hope to.

I want to set the record straight here. There's a difference between discussing an issue and whining about it. I posted this thread to discuss it.

Some of my specialized training involves this very issue. Many times we say (or write) words unknowingly that can turn off others or trigger uncomfortable responses. In marketing it can actually turn off our target audience--the very response we want to avoid.

I've spoken with individuals, small groups, and large groups about the things we say or do that sound discriminatory. This is the first time I've ever heard "Get over it." I've learned a lot just by listening to others. As marketers/copywriters, we specialize in the psychological triggers that make or break the sale, don't we?

The most important thing I've learned is that I cannot know anyone's truth but my own. The words "Get over it" are fighting words to a lot of people. If you think discrimination is just a racial issue, you're absolutely wrong. There are people who feel discriminated against because of their age (too young or too old), gender, sexual orientation, mental illness, weight, etc. The list goes on.

I'm not pointing this out to lecture anyone. Honestly, I thought we could learn from Rick's faux pas. Yes, women are very aware of the age issue. Again, if we are saying how his presentation of this upcoming event felt to US, we're speaking from our experiences. That's why I said that I didn't expect anyone but women in this age group to get it. Even if you don't get it, you still might want to be aware of it.

Rick probably didn't think too much about it. He just assumed that knocking five years off the women's qualifications was a good idea, but he was thinking from a man's perspective. A woman entrepreneur--like moi--sees it differently (as I've explained in my responses above).

The reason we don't often say this aloud is because it isn't taken seriously, even though it's very real and something we deal with. (I could tell you stories but I won't.) Geez, if you knew that this one faux pas would cost you thousands of dollars, wouldn't you want to avoid it?
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Default Re: Too Old to Hang - 05-08-2008, 07:35 PM

Hey Deb

I think Raddatz's lack of response shows his motives were questionable the whole time.

Anyway...no need to justify or explain yourself any further on this...I don't see any recent posts that merit your attention. (except mine of course ;p)

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