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05-17-2006, 03:15 PM
Never Insult my Future Wife.
talking about love, here is the key.
I am trying to understand why people are making confusion when they are trying to sell dating service or method.
be simplest.
be logic.
be 20 years again. be in first love again.
believe me it is not just about sex.
we all remember our first love, no one can forget it, so why to go so far, why to anticipate, why to talk about sex, when you can simply talk about love.
be in first Love again, remember your shy smile, remember, you shy dream, remember your intimeillusion, remember you days dream, remember you Long night without sleep, remember how do your heart looking to here or to him.
remember what wonderful experience it was.
be in love again and feel free. my friend it is more then a simple sexual act.
people will spend money in order to learn how to approach some one.
if they bought your method believe me that they have some one in mind on who to experiment your method, so never sell illusion, never sell dream, sell a truly romantic story.
never talk about sex for a shy man who never be alone with women for 5 min, it is unrealistic.
it is insulting, people are seeking for love not for sex. this is the mean need the mean desire, the mean key of your target people.
but people are talking again and again about sex, they build all they copy about sex, thinking that SEX SELL, this is wrong, yes this is wrong.
people are trying to find the person who will be there when they will be old, they are trying to find the one who will be the one, they are trying to find the one with who they will walk on beach hand in hand, going in picnic, and have children. (PS: again being nostalgic ).
why to talk about HOT, F..ck, bed, why? are you trying to suggest this simple short moment, when you can suggest the long one (I mean falling in love and living in harmony). women aren't toys, and man aren't bestial.
be yourself, remember your first love and then make it in word, make your word on paper and let other feel what wonderful is LOVE.
women aren't toys so why to treat them like if they were, never insult my future wife, never insult him.
man aren't bestial, so why to believe that they are. It is just about Love. PS:Please let me know about you point of view. disclaimer: I've never tested this. But if I had to test it, this is the approach I'd probably start with.. The beginner.
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05-17-2006, 03:38 PM
Hate to say it, but I thought about rereading some Bukowski.
Damn I'm an *******.
Yo Ab,
I luv your posts man. You should have some site like that
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05-17-2006, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt Hate to say it, but I thought about rereading some Bukowski.
Damn I'm an a**hole.
Yo Ab,
I luv your posts man. You should have some site like that
Origami Boulder dude. http://www.origamiboulder.com | Thank you I am realy happy to read you, again all the merit is yours.
it mean nothing to write if there is no one to read you, again thank you. The beginner.
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05-17-2006, 05:03 PM
Abdellah,
I agree with you most of the time.
But here's where I think you're wrong. True, lasting love sounds beautiful. But here (in the West), this notion is losing ground to sex. Instant gratification.
Who's in the 'dating market'?
Sure, there's people looking for a life-long-mate. But the people searching for info and strategies online, the most motivated people (in my perspective) are those looking for strategies of getting the woman in to bed. Who knows, if you've bedded enough women, you might find love on coincedence.
Think about it: Someone looking for love isn't as calculating. He (or she) is a romantic. They won't buy information products on how to achieve romance. The people who buy want simple solutions: do so and so and get results.
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05-17-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik Mulder Abdellah,
I agree with you most of the time.
But here's where I think you're wrong. True, lasting love sounds beautiful. But here (in the West), this notion is losing ground to sex. Instant gratification.
Who's in the 'dating market'?
Sure, there's people looking for a life-long-mate. But the people searching for info and strategies online, the most motivated people (in my perspective) are those looking for strategies of getting the woman in to bed. Who knows, if you've bedded enough women, you might find love on coincedence.
Think about it: Someone looking for love isn't as calculating. He (or she) is a romantic. They won't buy information products on how to achieve romance. The people who buy want simple solutions: do so and so and get results.
Maybe sad, but very true. | Thank you Erik Mulder I realy appreciate your reaplay.
I understand your point of view, what i try to make in evidence is this one :
if readers are just trying to satisfay some basic sexual instinct , the world is filled by such opportunity, they can watch it in TV, or magazine and if they just want to get women in bed they can asck for professional of SEX ( prostitute).
yes, many are trying to get women in thier bed, but after the act they think about the huge empty of thier life.
people are afraid of two things :
1)death.
2)being alone.
so here is the key to talk about how is beatiful to share his life with someone, and when you have some one (he/she) will be in your bed.
perhaps I am wrong, but it is easy to get S E X you have just to go out, the univers is based upon that.
perhaps I am wrong, after all (I am just a damned Romantic). The beginner.
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05-17-2006, 06:30 PM
I think there's a market for both sex and love. There are hopeless romantics out there, but that doesn't mean just because they are looking for love, they are not looking for sex.
There are (at the two extremes) 2 ways off the top of my head to treat sex. One is very bluntly, like in this post: http://www.copywritersboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=2674
And the other is to talk about "making love" and romance and intimacy and less crass ways to talk about sex. If you are targeting the romantic types, I'd probably go with the less crass version. If you are targeting guys who just want to get laid, then emphasize sex over love, and you have more opportunity to be more blunt about it.
Just my thoughts on the subject, although, my disclaimer: I've never tested this. But if I had to test it, this is the approach I'd probably start with.
Of course, the research I'd do up front might cause me to change my mind. Nothing is engraved in stone.
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05-17-2006, 06:45 PM
jdrits
wrote Quote:
Just my thoughts on the subject, although, my disclaimer: I've never tested this. But if I had to test it, this is the approach I'd probably start with.
Of course, the research I'd do up front might cause me to change my mind. Nothing is engraved in stone.
| Thank you for the replay and for sharing your thoughts with us.
so I have to confess, I havn't test it too, this is my vision, my point of view, I don't claim it right or wrong, i wanted just to share it.
with your permission I will use in the futur your disclaimer: I've never tested this. But if I had to test it, this is the approach I'd probably start with..
ps: my mean intention is to share a feeling, an idea, an to see what other think about, all the member know that I am not a copywriter, I often said it, and I will repeat it always, I havn't passed the test of sales letters of result, perhaps some time I am just a big mouth, no way I enjoy making post there hope that you enjoy reading them .
again thank you. The beginner.
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05-17-2006, 07:12 PM
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with your permission I will use in the futur your disclaimer: I've never tested this. But if I had to test it, this is the approach I'd probably start with..
| Sure, you don't need my permission. Ideas can't be copyrighted, so go for it.
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05-17-2006, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jdrits Quote: |
with your permission I will use in the futur your disclaimer: I've never tested this. But if I had to test it, this is the approach I'd probably start with..
| Sure, you don't need my permission. Ideas can't be copyrighted, so go for it.
John | Thank you it is done, look at the top  The beginner.
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05-18-2006, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by abdellah if readers are just trying to satisfay some basic sexual instinct , the world is filled by such opportunity, they can watch it in TV, or magazine and if they just want to get women in bed they can asck for professional of SEX ( prostitute). | I don't think that's what most men want.
Visiting a prositute means 2 things:
- You sort of admit you can't score chicks on your own
- You have to deal with nastier, more professional minded bed partners.
That SUCKS!
The ultimate turn on for men is a woman who's really into them. It's an ego thing, just as much as a sex thing. It's what most 20-something guys I know are after, and lots of 30-40 something guys are STILL lusting after that lifestyle.
This is a huge market... and it's not based on love. It's about seduction, ego and sex.
-Erik
P.s., Don't get me wrong: Love exists. But people won't "buy" love through an information product. It's completely opposite to the idea of romance... If you want to sell love, your best bet is to target women who want to find the perfect guy (looks, money and status) that they can marry and tie him to her for eternity. Women (in general) are more after love than men, but the kind of love that is sometimes idealistic, but almost always pragmatic and 'controllable' in the long term.
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